Data: 2015-07-04 23:25:01 | |
Autor: u2 | |
Niemcy groĹźÄ Grekom | |
ot niemiecka mentalnosc:)
http://www.stefczyk.info/wiadomosci/swiat/niemcy-groza-grekom,14216551316 Minister finansĂłw Niemiec Wolfgang Schaeuble arogancko wypowiedziaĹ siÄ o sytuacji w Grecji. - Negocjacje, ktĂłre ewentualnie zostanÄ podjÄte po niedzielnym plebiscycie oparte bÄdÄ âna caĹkiem innych podstawach i trudniejszych warunkach gospodarczych - rzuciĹ. - RzÄ d Grecji poddaje pod gĹosowanie w referendum propozycjÄ, ktĂłra nie jest juĹź aktualna. Kolejne rozmowy z Atenami bÄdÄ siÄ odbywaÄ na innych warunkach - powiedziaĹ w rozmowie z dziennikiem âBildâ. Ateny bÄdÄ musiaĹy poradziÄ sobie z wynikiem referendum i jego konsekwencjami. Dopiero wtedy, gdy Grecja przedĹoĹźy proĹbÄ o ponowienie negocjacji, zacznÄ siÄ kolejne rozmowy - dodaĹ. PrzypomniaĹ teĹź, Ĺźe bÄdzie moĹźna je podjÄ Ä, jeĹli zatwierdzi to Bundestag. Brzmienie pytania, na ktĂłre majÄ odpowiedzieÄ Grecy w referendum, a takĹźe nietypowy ukĹad karty do gĹosowania wzbudziĹy juĹź wczeĹniej kontrowersje wĹrĂłd miÄdzynarodowych komentatorĂłw. OdpowiedĹş ânieâ zostaĹa umieszczona jako pierwsza, a âtakâ dopiero jako druga, poniĹźej. Pytanie, ktĂłre przekazaĹy Ĺwiatowe media, brzmi natomiast:"Czy powinien zostaÄ przyjÄty plan porozumienia, ktĂłry zostaĹ przedĹoĹźony przez KomisjÄ EuropejskÄ , Europejski Bank Centralny i MiÄdzynarodowy Fundusz Walutowy na posiedzeniu eurogrupy 25 czerwca 2015 roku i ktĂłry skĹada siÄ z dwĂłch czÄĹci, stanowiÄ cych ich wspĂłlnÄ propozycjÄ?" WczeĹniej w piÄ tek rĂłwnieĹź szef Komisji Europejskiej Jean-Claude Juncker powiedziaĹ, Ĺźe jeĹli w niedzielnym referendum Grecy zagĹosujÄ przeciwko warunkom porozumienia z wierzycielami, to pozycja negocjacyjna ich kraju dramatycznie siÄ pogorszy. WedĹug róşnych ĹşrĂłdeĹ zadĹuĹźenie Grecji wynosi od 242,8 mld do 320 mld euro. OkoĹo 78 proc. kredytĂłw udzieliĹa Atenom tzw. trojka, czyli Europejski Bank Centralny, Komisja Europejska i MiÄdzynarodowy Fundusz Walutowy - podaje "Guardian". Agencja Reutera rozpisuje dokĹadniej podanÄ przez siebie sumÄ, czyli 242,8 mld euro, i pisze, Ĺźe obejmuje ona zadĹuĹźenie wobec europejskich rzÄ dĂłw i MFW w ramach dwĂłch pakietĂłw pomocowych przyznanych Atenom w latach 2010 i 2012, ktĂłre warte byĹy 220 mld euro; dochodzÄ do tego obligacje wyemitowane przez GrecjÄ, a ktĂłre sÄ w posiadaniu Europejskiego Banku Centralnego i bankĂłw centralnych paĹstw strefy euro. Prywatni inwestorzy posiadajÄ greckie obligacje warte 38,7 mld euro. Ponadto rzÄ d w Atenach wyemitowaĹ obligacje krĂłtkoterminowe na sumÄ 15 mld euro, ktĂłre objÄĹy gĹĂłwnie greckie banki - pisze Reuters. Agencja przypomina teĹź, Ĺźe MFW przyznaĹ Grecji kredyt opiewajÄ cy na 48,1 mld euro, z czego ostatnia rata - 16,3 mld euro - miaĹa zostaÄ wypĹacona w marcu 2016 roku, pod warunkiem, Ĺźe Ateny skutecznie przeprowadzÄ program naprawy finansĂłw paĹstwa. 30 czerwca, po raz pierwszy, Grecja nie spĹaciĹa wartej 1,6 mld euro raty na rzecz MFW. EBC posiada okoĹo 18 mld euro w greckich obligacjach; jeĹli kraj ten wyjdzie z unii walutowej, realna ich wartoĹÄ bÄdzie zaledwie uĹamkiem wartoĹci nominalnej - pisze Reuters. Ponadto, gdyby Grecja wyszĹa ze strefy euro, EBC pozostaĹby z niespĹaconymi dĹugami niestanowiÄ cymi czÄĹci pakietĂłw pomocowych. Szef MFW Mario Draghi powiedziaĹ niedawno, Ĺźe na zapewnienie pĹynnoĹci greckim bankom jego instytucja przyznaĹa Atenom kredyty warte 118 mld euro, z czego 89 mld euro w ramach finansowania awaryjnego, utrzymujÄ cego pĹynnoĹÄ greckich bankĂłw (Emergency Liquidity Assistance - ELA) - podaje Reuters. Kraje strefy euro poĹźyczyĹy Grecji 52,9 mld euro w ramach pierwszego pakietu pomocowego (tzw. bailoutu); z drugiego pakietu, przyznanego Atenom w 2012 roku, Ateny otrzymaĹy jak dotÄ d 141,8 mld euro. NajwiÄkszym kredytodawcÄ Grecji sÄ Niemcy, ktĂłre poĹźyczyĹy jej 57,23 mld euro; dalej plasuje siÄ Francja - 42,98 mld; nastÄpnie WĹochy 37,76 mld euro i wreszcie Hiszpania - 25,1 mld. Ponadto kraje wpĹaciĹy swe skĹadki do kasy MFW, z ktĂłrej Fundusz czerpie fundusze na kredyty dla Aten. Kraje strefy euro odroczyĹy juĹź zapadalnoĹÄ greckiego dĹugu wobec nich z 15 do 30 lat. PrzyznaĹy teĹź Atenom 10-letnie moratorium na spĹatÄ odsetek od drugiego pakietu pomocowego. Brytyjski "Guardian" zwraca uwagÄ, Ĺźe zaledwie okoĹo 10 proc., czyli niewielki uĹamek sum, jakie poĹźyczono Grecji, trafiĹ do paĹstwowej kasy i zostaĹ przeznaczony na zĹagodzenie spoĹecznych i gospodarczych skutkĂłw kryzysu. Znakomita wiÄkszoĹÄ pieniÄdzy trafiĹa do bankĂłw, ktĂłre udzieliĹy Atenom kredytĂłw przed zaĹamaniem finansowym. Ponadto 48,2 mld euro przeznaczone zostaĹo na ratowanie greckich instytucji finansowych. SpĹata dĹugĂłw i odsetek kosztowaĹa jak dotÄ d 140 mld euro. "Le Figaro" zwraca uwagÄ, Ĺźe kryzys grecki wygenerowaĹ juĹź straty finansowe bez precedensu. MFW nigdy nie zainwestowaĹ w Ĺźaden kraj tyle, ile obecnie w pomoc dla Grecji. Na czÄĹciowym umorzeniu dĹugu Aten wobec prywatnych inwestorĂłw ci ostatni stracili 100 mld euro. "Potencjalne straty finansowe zwiÄ zane z greckim kryzysem znacznie przekraczajÄ te, ktĂłre w 1917 roku wynikĹy z decyzji Lenina o nieuznaniu zobowiÄ zaĹ carskiej Rosji przez ZwiÄ zek Radziecki. A bankructwo Argentyny w 2001 roku to drobnostka w porĂłwnaniu z GrecjÄ " - pisze francuski dziennik w duĹźym raporcie poĹwiÄconym temu kryzysowi. W innym tekĹcie potencjalne dalsze konsekwencje problemĂłw GrecjÄ komentuje dla "Le Figaro" profesor uniwersytetu Sorbona ParyĹź 1 Philippe Dessertine, ktĂłry podkreĹla, Ĺźe ryzyko zwiÄ zane z wyjĹciem Grecji z unii walutowej jest niedocenione. "Gdy 15 wrzeĹnia 2008 roku upadĹ bank Lehman Brothers (...) mĂłwiono nam, Ĺźe globalny system finansowy nie jest zagroĹźony. Znamy ciÄ g dalszy..." - mĂłwi. Systemy zabezpieczeĹ przed rozprzestrzenieniem siÄ kryzysu z Grecji na strefÄ euro nie sÄ wystarczajÄ ce. EBC nie dysponuje wystarczajÄ cymi Ĺrodkami, by utrzymaÄ stopy procentowe na niskim poziomie, gdy rynki finansowe oceniÄ ryzyko wynikajÄ ce z Grexitu. Na rynkach akcji i obligacji nie dojdzie do gwaĹtownego zaĹamania, ale bÄdÄ one przez dĹuĹźszy czas odnotowywaÄ spadki, aĹź stanÄ siÄ one bardzo istotne - mĂłwi Dessertine. Raport MFW z 2011 roku oceniaĹ koszty Grexitu (wyjĹcia Grecji z unii walutowej) dla globalnej gospodarki na bilion dolarĂłw. Rok później oszacowaĹ je na 1,2 biliona euro - przypomina. "Foreign Affairs" i oĹrodek Stratfor podkreĹlajÄ stawkÄ w tej grze nie sÄ tylko pieniÄ dze. -MoĹźliwoĹÄ Ĺatwego zerwania z GrecjÄ jest tylko zĹudzeniem - pisze o ewentualnym wyjĹciu Grecji z unii walutowej prestiĹźowy amerykaĹski magazyn. - Grecja leĹźy w najbardziej niestabilnym regionie Europy - przypomina "FA". JuĹź teraz widoczne sÄ oznaki, Ĺźe kryzys z Grecji przeniesie siÄ na system bankowy krajĂłw baĹkaĹskich. - ZaĹamanie w Grecji podsyci i tak juĹź rosnÄ ce napiÄcia w poĹudniowo-wschodniej Europie". NaleĹźy teĹź pamiÄtaÄ o "flircie Grecji z RosjÄ i nieustannych staraniach prezydenta WĹadimira Putina, majÄ cych na celu zasianie niezgody w Unii Europejskiej - argumentuje "FA". Konsekwencje polityczne Grexitu mogÄ byÄ powaĹźniejsze niĹź jego skutki finansowe. - Najczarniejszy scenariusz to taki, Ĺźe sĹaba i wyobcowana Grecja stanie siÄ "wolnym elektronem" (...), a najwiÄkszym przegranym okaĹźe siÄ europejska integracja - ostrzega "FA". - Jedynym wyjĹciem jest redukcja dĹugu Grecji w zamian za gĹÄbokie, strukturalne reformy. Ale wobec nieustÄpliwej postawy Ciprasa i jego najbardziej zagorzaĹego krytyka, ministra finansĂłw Niemiec Wolfganga Scheaublego, takie rozwiÄ zanie jest maĹo prawdopodobne - konkluduje "FA". Stratfor spoglÄ da na polityczne implikacje Grexitu w szerszym kontekĹcie - jako zagroĹźenie dla wspĂłlnej polityki USA i UE wobec Rosji. - USA wywierajÄ presjÄ na UE, by zawarĹa kompromis z GrecjÄ , by zatrzymaÄ jÄ w strefie euro. Naciski BiaĹego Domu, by UE porozumiaĹa siÄ z Atenami bÄdÄ zapewne znacznie silniejsze, jeĹli w istocie dojdzie do wyjĹcia Grecji z unii walutowej - prognozuje Stratfor. -- General Skalski o zydach w UB : "Rozanski, Zyd, kanalia najgorszego gatunku, razem z Brystigerowa, Fejginami, to wszystko (...) nie byli ludzie." prof. PAN Krzysztof Jasiewicz o zydach : "Zydow gubi brak umiaru we wszystkim i przekonanie, ze sa narodem wybranym. Czuja sie oni upowaznieni do interpretowania wszystkiego, takze doktryny katolickiej. Cokolwiek bysmy zrobili, i tak bedzie poddane ich krytyce - za malo, ze zle, ze zbyt malo ofiarnie. W moim najglebszym przekonaniu szkoda czasu na dialog z Zydami, bo on do niczego nie prowadzi... Ludzi, ktorzy uzywajÄ slow 'antysemita', 'antysemicki', nalezy traktowac jak ludzi niegodnych debaty, ktorzy usiluja niszczyc innych, gdy brakuje argumentow merytorycznych. To oni tworza mowe nienawisci". |
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Data: 2015-07-04 20:27:29 | |
Autor: Marek | |
Niemcy grożą Grekom | |
W dniu sobota, 4 lipca 2015 23:25:00 UTC+2 użytkownik u2 napisał:
ot niemiecka mentalnosc:) A co na ten temat ma do powiedzenia pan Tusk - prezydent Europy ? |
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Data: 2015-07-05 10:43:10 | |
Autor: u2 | |
Niemcy groĹźÄ Grekom | |
W dniu 2015-07-05 o 05:27, Marek pisze:
A co na ten temat ma do powiedzenia pan Tusk - prezydent Europy ? ze nikt nie jest w jewropejskiej Ĺunii aniolem:))) http://www.politico.eu/article/tusk-nobody-here-is-an-angel-european-council-president-polish-politics-grexit-greece-referendum-crisis/ Tusk: âNobody here is an angelâ The European Council president tells POLITICO how a bankrupt Greece can stay in the eurozone, and what the EU should do next on migration. By Matthew Kaminski 3/7/15, 7:30 PM CET Updated 4/7/15, 9:12 AM CET No matter how Greeks vote Sunday, the EU is looking for ways âto keep them insideâ the single currency, though that may require âa completely newâ approach to allow the eurozone to coexist with a bankrupt country, Donald Tusk told POLITICO. Striking a notably conciliatory tone, the European Council president called on Athens and its creditors to stop the mutual âblame game,â work to ârebuild trustâ and promptly resume negotiations after the July 5 referendum in Greece. âThe main aim for us is to keep the eurozone united,â he said. In a rare, 90-minute interview in his Council office Thursday evening, Tusk covered a range of topics including last weekâs EU summit dust-up over migration, his agenda for the negotiations on Britainâs future in the EU and his jogging routine in Brussels. But the Greek crisis weighed most on the man who represents the 28 national governments in Brussels. Tusk kept the door wide open to another financial rescue of Athens and downplayed the stakes in Sundayâs vote. Contradicting both European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker and European Parliament President Martin Schulz, Tusk said that âitâs very clear that the referendum is not ⌠about being in the eurozone or not. No, in fact, nobodyâs interested â I hope nobodyâs interested â in this kind of choice.â âIf we need some legal treaty changes to save Europe, itâs also possible to discuss,â he said. Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsiprasâ call for a snap referendum early last Saturday ended months of fruitless negotiations with creditors and took the EU into uncharted terrain.In the dramatic days since that decision, Greece has imposed capital controls and closed its banks, failed to pay an International Monetary Fund loan on time and allowed its second bailout program to expire. As Tsipras and his ministers pointed the finger at Brussels and Berlin, European leaders early in the week reacted with a mix of pique and frustration â none more so than Juncker, who accused the Greek premier of âbetrayal.â Tusk struck a much different note than Juncker in the interview. The former Polish prime minister repeatedly sought to lower the volume on the rhetoric around Greece, refusing even to use the word âdefaultâ to describe the countryâs status after it failed to make a âŹ1.6 billion payment Tuesday to the IMF. He added a prominent voice to calls this week, including from the U.S., for a return to the negotiating table. âFor sure, itâs not a black and white story,â he said. âMaybe the biggest mistake, but Iâm not talking only about Greece, was this blame game, the political game between creditors and Greece. Nobody here is an angel.â âIn time of crisis, and itâs not about Greece only but all crises, the biggest problem is lack of confidence and trust,â he added. âThe first goal is to rebuild trust in Greece.â A waiting room? Tusk said the EU will work with Athens regardless of Sundayâs outcome, though âif the Greeks vote Yes, I think itâs a chance to open a new chapter in negotiations, perhaps more promising than before.â In that case, the EU would have to first see if Tsipras stays on, a new leader takes over or fresh elections are called. In case of a No, according to Tusk, âthe space for negotiation will be smaller, obviously. But I would like to warn, for sure we donât need any dramatic messages after No voting.â The EU, he said, would have to wait to hear âthe new proposal of the Greek government.â European treaties provide no way for a country to leave or get expelled from the eurozone except in case of its withdrawal from the EU. But Tusk said he believes that if Greece chooses to exit the single currency, a way could be found for it stay in the Union. âIf we need some legal treaty changes to save Europe, itâs also possible to discuss,â he said. But he suggested the far more immediate priority in the days ahead is to find a financial and legal fudge to keep Greece in the eurozone. âTodayâs a situation where we have to think about completely new circumstances,â Tusk said. âMaybe we will have to get used to living with a country as a member of the eurozone in bankruptcy.â He added: âMaybe we have to prepare the whole organization â the eurozone and EU â to live with countries with such a problem as Greece today.â Time is short: Greeceâs banks are running out of money and the Athens government must pay pensions and salaries and a âŹ3.5 billion to the ECB and national central banks on July 20. If Greece resorts to a scrip currency or IOUs to pay its bills and keeps capital controls in for a long time, it would be in effect out of the euro. A possible solution is to put Greece in a euro âwaiting room,â not formally out of the single currency but in a limbo until it can negotiate its way back in one day. Tusk refused to get drawn out on what this alternative solution might look like. âIf you imagine too much, you get self-fulfilling prophesies,â he said, adding that it was above all necessary to âavoid this dramatic scenario: the breakup of the eurozone.â He added that the stakes in Greece go well beyond the debt or future of the euro, and are at heart geopolitical: âGreece and the Balkans are the traditional soft underbelly of Europe,â and the EU needs to move âvery, very cautiously.â âThe King of Europeâ The sudden revival of the euro debt crisis doesnât play to Tuskâs political strengths. He comes from a country outside the eurozone. Though he formally chairs EU summits and is personally close to German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Tusk isnât a natural leader on the issue. Juncker, who as prime minister of Luxembourg headed the Eurogroup for eight years, has been far more prominent in the euro crisis talks. Tusk, meanwhile, has sought to carve out his own space in the EUâs external relations. His first speech after taking office as Council president last December focused on the threat to the European order from the conflict in Ukraine â earning him a reputation as Brusselsâ leading Russia hawk. EU doves hold that against him, saying his interest in Ukraine verges on obsession and prevents him from asserting himself on other issues. âOf course Iâve heard that I am too focused on Ukraine,â he said with smile. Late last year, that crisis was âthe biggest problemâ in Europe, he said Thursday. But now the EU has equally urgent and, in his telling, more complicated problems on the docket: migration, Britain and Greece, all of which he called âhis main concerns.â Tusk is just the second person to hold the Council presidency, a post created by the Lisbon Treaty in 2009 whose precise job description is in the eyes of the holder. His predecessor, former Belgian prime minister Herman Van Rompuy, preferred to work in the shadows, herding the 28 independent-minded cats of the EU into various coalitions. Tusk is more outspoken than van Rompuy, and says he is aware of another criticism of his term so far: âI too frequently present my own views.â Thinking of his role, he said: âI know my treaty obligations and rights and prerogatives. I have no illusions. My friends in Poland, they are kidding from time to time that I am âthe king of Europe.â Of course thatâs a joke.â But he added that heâs ready to fight for his âopinions and beliefsâ and is âready to take risks when it comes to this.â Conflict with Juncker: âNothing personalâ For example? Tusk cited the other big blowup (after Greece) in Brussels last week. At their summit, EU leaders argued behind closed doors for more than five hours over migration policy. Juncker and Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi were incensed by the groupâs unwillingness to support their proposed mandatory quotas for the relocation of asylum-seekers across the EU. Commission and Italian officials blamed Tusk, who supported keeping in place a voluntary scheme proposed in April. At a press conference held in the early-morning hours last Friday, Juncker lashed out at Tusk over his handling of the meeting, saying âI protest against this working method.â In the interview, Tusk called the Commissionâs proposal âradically differentâ from what the EU states had agreed to in April. Though he said ââannoyedâ is a bit too muchâ to describe his feelings toward Juncker, his co-equal in the EU power structures, Tusk added that âI think we need more respect among institutions,â referring to the Council and the Commission. âFor me, itâs absolutely natural that from time to time we will be in conflict,â he said. âItâs nothing personal.â âWe have to stop this huge wave of illegal immigration,â he said. âEurope canât be the only place, the only direction for displaced people.â Tusk and Juncker have worked together since 2007, when both were prime ministers. The men are more comfortable speaking German, having grown up with the language. But they rarely meet one-on-one and for the benefit of their aides now speak together in English, according to Tusk. The Poleâs weak command of English was a knock against him before he took office last year. He spent four months in between jobs intensively working on his English in Poland. He wonât say how he did it â âThis is my secret, I have to patent itâ â but the improvement is striking to those who know him. Still from time to time, he searches for his words, which is visibly frustrating for a politician who back home was known for his facility with language. The interview was conducted in English, except for when he was asked a couple of questions in Polish about Polish politics. (See: âTusk sees Poland from Brussels.â) While Juncker will naturally be the bigger player on the euro crisis in Brussels, Tusk is asserting himself on migration. He said he wants to correct the imbalance in the current EU approach and called for âa new containment policy, a return policy.â He falls on the harder edge of views in the EU on the issue. âWe have to stop this huge wave of illegal immigration,â he said. âEurope canât be the only place, the only direction for displaced people.â Tusk said he would propose a plan that tries to stop migrants from coming to Europe in the first place before a summit of EU and African states in Malta scheduled in the autumn. 20150702, Donald Tusk, President of the European Council, foto: Jimmy Kets Brexit point man The future of the U.K. in the EU is another tricky issue Tusk has to manage. British Prime Minister David Cameron had hoped to use last weekâs summit to launch the negotiations on EU reform ahead of his In/Out referendum on Britainâs membership. The Greece and migration arguments squeezed that discussion off the agenda, but it will return to prominence in the coming months. Tusk presented himself as a point person in Brussels on the so-called Brexit issue. He has met with Cameron several times to discuss the proposed reforms, and said that he expects Cameron to âbe very responsible and cautious because for sure he needs successâ in the referendum. But Tusk opposed changing the EU treaty in any way, saying that it would âprovoke a much wider and maybe radical discussion about treaty change.â The migration crisis has âsome politiciansâ questioning the principle of free movement of people in the EU, which he calls ânon-negotiable.â For example, he said, the migration crisis has âsome politiciansâ questioning the principle of free movement of people in the EU, which he calls ânon-negotiable.â British Euroskeptics want to stem the inflow of migrants from the EUâs eastern member countries. His aversion to any opening of EU treaties also makes him âskepticalâ about the âfive-presidentsâ reportâ released last week on the future of the European monetary union. As it happens, Tusk was one of the co-authors. But he rolls his eyes at the mention of it. The proposals for closer integration in the study, including the creation of a eurozone finance minister in EU treaties, lack support among member states, he said. The report called for the EU to complete the banking union, an idea Tusk endorses. The more ambitious items on the monetary integration agenda are cited by supporters as necessary to reassure markets about the long-term viability of the eurozone. Tusk disagreed, noting that the markets arenât panicking over Greece and donât need reassurances about the euro. Searching for a football club At 58, Donald Tusk is fit and tanned. His handshake feels as if he intended to lift a visitor off the ground. The crowâs feet around his eyes are the one hint of his age. He is dressed down in a checkered blue shirt and jeans, and looks relaxed, somewhat incongruously with the times in EU politics. He said he was âphysically ⌠quite well preparedâ for the marathon negotiation sessions last week in Brussels. After an injury took him off the soccer field, heâs back to his regular jogging routine: 10 kilometers, three times a week, usually at the park near his home in Brusselsâ Ixelles neighborhood. Back in Poland, he commuted most weekends from Warsaw to his hometown of Sopot, near Gdansk, many weekends and played on a club there. He said he hasnât played with any football team in town. âI will return to football,â he said, âalthough my wife laughs that when youâre 58 years old you donât think about a return to that sort of sport.â Asked for his reading of Tsipras, the man who in a few weeks has upended the EUâs economic and political order, Tusk said, âItâs a banal and typical story: As a leader, he promised something to his voters and now heâs delivering this program.â To the Pole in Brussels, the Greek suffers from a common illusion in Europe: âThat we can spend more than we have.â Authors: Matthew Kaminski -- General Skalski o zydach w UB : "Rozanski, Zyd, kanalia najgorszego gatunku, razem z Brystigerowa, Fejginami, to wszystko (...) nie byli ludzie." prof. PAN Krzysztof Jasiewicz o zydach : "Zydow gubi brak umiaru we wszystkim i przekonanie, ze sa narodem wybranym. Czuja sie oni upowaznieni do interpretowania wszystkiego, takze doktryny katolickiej. Cokolwiek bysmy zrobili, i tak bedzie poddane ich krytyce - za malo, ze zle, ze zbyt malo ofiarnie. W moim najglebszym przekonaniu szkoda czasu na dialog z Zydami, bo on do niczego nie prowadzi... Ludzi, ktorzy uzywajÄ slow 'antysemita', 'antysemicki', nalezy traktowac jak ludzi niegodnych debaty, ktorzy usiluja niszczyc innych, gdy brakuje argumentow merytorycznych. To oni tworza mowe nienawisci". |
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Data: 2015-07-05 01:06:07 | |
Autor: A. Filip | |
Niemcy groĹźÄ Grekom [Jak zaakceptujecie TE propozycje to tylko dostaniecie jeszcze gorsze?] | |
u2 <u_2@o2.pl> pisze:
ot niemiecka mentalnosc:) Czyli w jÄzyku prostych ludzi jak Grecy zaakceptuje TE propozycje to tylko po to Ĺźeby dostaÄ jeszcze gorsze. -- A. Filip -- W Starych Kiejkutach CIA wyprodukowaĹa KukliĹkisch 21 wieku. Nie mĂłw hop, pĂłki nie przeskoczysz. (PrzysĹowie polskie) |
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Data: 2015-07-05 09:00:42 | |
Autor: Budzik | |
Niemcy grożą Grekom [Jak zaakceptujecie TE propozycje to tylko dostaniecie jeszcze gorsze?] | |
UĹźytkownik A. Filip anfi@pseudonim.pl ...
ot niemiecka mentalnosc:) W jezyku prostych ludzi to byĹoby tak: jak pozyczyĹes 100.000 i udajesz nomen omen greka to sie nie dziw, ze pozyczkodawca staje sie nerwowy. |
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Data: 2015-07-05 21:45:07 | |
Autor: A. Filip | |
Niemcy groĹźÄ Grekom [Jak zaakceptujecie TE propozycje to tylko dostaniecie jeszcze gorsze?] | |
Budzik <budzik61@poczta.o.n.e.t.pl.nie.spam.oj> pisze:
UĹźytkownik A. Filip anfi@pseudonim.pl ... Ja siÄ dziwiÄ Ĺźe "polityk z Niemiec" wyglÄ da na takiego co sprzedaje swojÄ gadkÄ pod krajowy rynek polityczny tak jakby celowo chciaĹ by Grecy zagĹosowali na "NIE". Ja panu Niemieckiemu ministrowi gratuluje _skutecznego_ wpĹyniÄcia na wynik greckiego referendum. -- A. Filip -- W Starych Kiejkutach CIA wyprodukowaĹa KukliĹkisch 21 wieku. Nawet Ĺlepa kura moĹźe znaleĹşÄ ziarno. (PrzysĹowie szwedzkie) |
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