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In Reply to: Re: Formerly Poland, now Lithuania by Joan Higgins  of
9103


"Joanna,

(...)

By the way, those of us who are died-in-the-wool Lithuanian
nationalists appreciate the use of the Lithuanian
I TENT TO THINK THAT THSI GUY MADE UP THIS ELITE 'LITWENIAN
NATIONALISTS, KNOWING SOMEWHAT HOW PEOPEL OGF THE REGION INTERCAT -
THEY OFTEN WANT POLAND AS IT WAS TEH WINDOW AGAINT THE COMMUNIST
OPRESSION,M WHILE POLAND HELD MORE OPENING INTO THE WORLD; THAT MIGHT
HAVE CHANGED; BUT WE ARE NOT AFFECTED THAT WAY AS THIS AUTHOR WANTS TO
PORTEY IT; MORE - HE AMKES ERROR AFTER ERROR TRYING TO ASSAULT THE
IMAGE OF POLAND.

spellings even of Polish ancestors but especially of locations in the
territory mostly occupied by ethnic Lithuanians. Many Lithuanians came
to despise the domination of ethnic Lithuania by Polish priests and
landowners, the invasion and occupation of southern Lithuania by the
Polish government after WW I.
 The land around Trakai was never part of Poland after 1795.
POLAND WAS PARTITIONED AND REMOVED FROM THE MAP - THUS HE MAKES MOOT
POINT THAT SI NO POINT.

 It was always part of the Russian Empire (reason enough for
nationalists to dislike them), an independent Republic, or occupied by
the Soviet Union. Poland occupied that part of present day Lithuania
south of the city of Vilnius (including that city) from 1922 till
1939, but not the area around Trakai.

PERHAPS - AS I FOUND TEH TRACES IN LITERATURE; ASLO ORAL HISTORY IS
THAT ITW AS LITERAL;Y CRAZY THERE - PNLY DURING TEH WW II VILNUS
CAHNGES HAND AT LEAST 3 TIMES POLISH MILITARY ESTABLISHMENT BEING THE
ONE THAT CLAIMED THE ADMINISTRATION BUT DID NOT SUSTAINED IT IN FACE
OF THE GERMAL INVASIION

WHAT SI TEH POINT TAHT AFTER 1918 WHEN PARTITION OF POLAND IS LIFTED -
POLISH MILITARY TRIED TO REGAIN THE TERRITORY FROM 200 YEARS AGO? IT
IS THEIR DUTY SO TO SAY. TEH COUNTRY IS CALLED - POLISH LITWENIAN
COMMENWEALTH. ( ZWIAZEK POLSKO -LITEWSKI); MORE DETAILS EXCEDES THIS
BOARD.

WHAT I POINT IS TAHT THIS SO CALLED NATIONALIST IS DIGUSTING IN THE
POREYAL OF THE ISSUE, ALL AGAINT POLAND, WHILE SUCH SENTIMENST DO NOT
EVEN EXIST IN LITWEENIA.

The city Vilnius (as it is called by the Lithuanians) is called Vilna
by the Russians, Wilno by the Poles, and Wilna by the Germans. The
only time it was part of Poland was after W W I I
NATIONALIST, THSI SI ERROR - YOU MEAN AFTER  W W I USING THE EDITOR
TAHT HIDES THE DIFFERENCE.

when it was invaded by Poland and occupied until 1938.
AHA!

From 1795 to 1917, it was called Vilna because it was held by the
Russian Empire.
AHA!

 From 1917 to 1920, it was called Vilnius because it was under the
control of the newly fledged country of Lithuania.

After the Polish invasion, the Lithuanians continued to call it
Vilnius and the Poles continued to call it Wilno.
 It was only in the period of 1920 to 1938 that it might be considered
part of Poland (not to the Lithuanians).
Between 1795 and 1917, it was Vilna, Russia and Troki, Russia.' by
JOHN PETERS@YAHOO.COM

YOU REPEATING SELF; IT IS THAT AFTER ESTABLISHMENT OF POLAND IN 1918
ISSUE OF
COMMENWELTH GETS ON AGENDA. BY THE WAY INVASION NOT ONLY VILNUS BUT
KIEV
IN 1920- 1922 IS NOT EVEN LED BY POLISH MILITARY  AS IT  TO GET IT
TOGETHER YET
 ( ONLY 2 YEARS OLD);

THAT PARTICULAR INCIDENT IS LESS KNOWN BUT TRACABLE*

WHAT TO MAKE OF IT? ALL THE BEGGING OF THE FORMER CENTURY IS THE
STRUGGLE FOR
THE SO CALLED IMPERIALISTIC DIVISION OF THE WORLD. POLAND ISN'T THE
STRONGEST IN
1920.

SOME  CONSTANLY INFLAME THE MATTER AGAINST POLAND, WHILE THERE SI NO
HISTORICAL
MISGIVINGS BY NEWLY FORMED POLAND OF 1918.

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  Re: Formerly Poland, now Lithuania
Posted by: Tom S. (ID *****9577) Date: June 26, 2010 at 20:00:57


"I never really studied Lithuanian history until I started researching
my Lithuanian ancestors in 2000.

The histories of Poland and Lithuania (a.k.a. Grand Duchy of
Lithuania) have been intertwined
since 1386 when the Lithuanian grand duke married the Polish queen
and  untied the two nations.
AUTHOR ALSO MAKES ERROR AS THAT MIGHT BE SECOND LANGUAGE OR FOR OTHER
REASON-
HE PROBABLY MEANS THAT MUTUAL KINGDOM TIED THE LITHUNIA AND POLAND)

The Treaty of Lublin in 1569 made the connection more formalized and
created the Commonwealth
of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania (GDL).

When you look at 16th century maps of Eastern Europe, you see a large
expanse of territory
labeled "Poland". The lazy map makers should have more accurately
labeled it the Commonwealth
of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.

IS THAT AFTER THE DEAT OF VITATUS? IF SO THAN PERHAPS BY LAZY
ASSUMPTION THAT NEXT KING THAT WAS POLISH ALSO THINKS THAT IS RULLING
ONLY POLISH LAND.

SOME OF THE MISINTERPRETATION FROM THE EXCITING PERIOD OF POLISH
LITHUNIAN COMMENWEALTH REACHING FROM THE BALTIC TO BLACK SEAS ( FROM
'SEA TO SEA) IS A POST INTERPRETATION; DID
WE HAVE ANY CARTIGRAPHY THAN?


SUBSEQUENT 200 YEARS STRUGGLE AS PERCEIVED AGAINST THE RUSSIAN
OCCUPIER, MUTUAL FOR POLISH AND LITHUNIANS, IS NOT WITHOUT IMPACT HOW
THE SUBSEQUENT GENERATIONS VIEW IT , ESPACIALLY WITHOUT ANY SOLID
HISTORICAL INFORMATION. RUSSIANS OF TODAY, ESPACIALLY PUTIN
TRIED TO COOK UP SOMETHING LIKE "THE MUTUAL GRAVE IN SMOLENSK' AND WAS
ADAMANT
ABOUT THE FACT THAT POLES ARE TO FORGIVE AND FORGET.

THE HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE CHANGES WITH TIME EVEN IF THE OCCUPATION OF
THE COMENWEALTH BY RUSIA WAS THE SAME AS DIFFERENT EVENTS IMAPACT ON
IT AS THAT INCIDENT WITH TASTY KIEV FOR
( I CAN NOT EVEN FIND OUT THAT WELL WHO WANTED IT THAT BAD , WHILE
USING SOME POLISH NOBLES;
OR CAN I?). I GET MORE FROM  ORAL HISTORY WHEN THE GLICH LIKE THIS
OCCURS.

I TRAVELED THE AREA AND IT SEEMS THAT GREAT RUSSIAN PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE
THAT
 MANY NATIONALISTIC AND OTEHR EXPECTATIONS AND TREAT THE EVENT OF
POLAND BY
 THE BLACK SEA AS THE MATETR OF FACT; NOSTALGIA THERE WAS AND EVEN IS
TOWARDS
POLAND AND NOT AGAINST, AS THE HISTORY OF GREAT COUNTRY THAT ALL
LEANED TO WAS
 SOMEHOW REMEBER EVEN THERE.

WE ALSO HAD THE POLISH OR SO CALLED POLISH AMBASADOR ON CONSTANTINOPOL
ON THE
OUTBURST OF W W II; FOR THE RIGHT OR WRONG HE CALLED SELF 'POLISH'. IF
WE DIG THERE MORE WE FIND THAT THERE WAS A LOT WRONG WITH IT AND MIGHT
NOT EVEN HAVE BEEN POLISH  ( COUNT POTOCKI THAT WAS )

REMEBER THAT NOBLES COULD CHANGE THE NATIONAL ALLIENCES MUCH EASIER
THAN THE REASEARCHERS WANT TO BELIEVE OR ARE AWARE OFF.

 ( WAS COUNT PLANNING INVASSION OF POLAND AS OTHER NATIONAL?

SINCE THE TIME LAPSE AND MANY OTHER HISTORICAL DOISASTERS WE MIGHT
EVEN FORGO THE QUESTION).

SAMPLE OF THIS COMPLICATION BY COUNT POTOCKI SHOULD NOT GO TODAY
AGAINST THE PRESIDENT
 THAT TRAGICALLY 'DIED' THAT FAST, AGREE?

The two nations had the misfortune of being surrounded by powerful
neighbors. In the late 18th century, a weakened Lithuania and Poland
were partitioned (i.e., carved up) three times with their lands going
to Russia, Prussia, and Austria Hungary. The last and final partition
came in 1795. That is when Russia gained control of Vilnius.

Having a better understanding of the history of the area helps you to
make better sense of the documents you find when doing research.

Hope this helps.

Tom S.

THANK YOU TOM

*PART OF MY INFORMATION IS OBTAINABLE IN THE PILSUDSKI INSTITUTE IN
NEW YORK CITY.